Sam Hitchcock: Trying to Understand the Goodrow Trade

but Tampa gets a 3rd rounder back along with Goodrow

I don't think it's that bad, it's potentially moving from 31st in the draft to like 81st to add a depth guy for an expected long playoff run.

Tampa is all in. It's clear that they wanted to add what they feel they missed last year.

Sam Hitchcock: Trying to Understand the Goodrow Trade
- Sam Hitchcock

SJ fleeced Tampa. Goodrow was an undrafted player whos career high is 24 points(This year) at 26 years old. That is not 1st round pick material and it clearly wasnt a cap move they were forced to make.

At 26 he has or is nearing his peak. His game is not going to see a drastic improvement. You will be lucky to see him hit 40 points in his career.

but Tampa gets a 3rd rounder back along with Goodrow

I don't think it's that bad, it's potentially moving from 31st in the draft to like 81st to add a depth guy for an expected long playoff run.

Tampa is all in. It's clear that they wanted to add what they feel they missed last year.
- jimbro83

Yes...but the feeling is that they could have gotten him for less. Would you rather move pick #31 or #62?

No one gets it either... shocking a 1st for a 4th liner.

Bolts should’ve called Murray about Manson...

They’ve got the Forwards to make that happen...

Yes...but the feeling is that they could have gotten him for less. Would you rather move pick #31 or #62?
- jmatchett383

who's got that feeling, bloggers? lol

but Tampa gets a 3rd rounder back along with Goodrow

I don't think it's that bad, it's potentially moving from 31st in the draft to like 81st to add a depth guy for an expected long playoff run.

Tampa is all in. It's clear that they wanted to add what they feel they missed last year.
- jimbro83

Totally agree. Did they overpay? IMO, yes. But they identified a player that possesses a skill set that they felt would be a good fit and address a perceived need, and they went out and got him. Their 1st is virtually guaranteed to be a late pick, and this is a very deep & relatively young roster/core, so they could "afford" to part with a 1st.

As far as this notion that he could've been had for less, I think that's being overblown as well. Do you really think there was no negotiation here? That TB just offered up their 1st right off the bat? Highly doubt that. This is what it took to get the player they wanted, and they pulled the trigger. I'm not saying it will work out, or that it was the right move. I know very little about Goodrow. But I really don't get what all the fuss is about regarding this move.

Totally agree. Did they overpay? IMO, yes. But they identified a player that possesses a skill set that they felt would be a good fit and address a perceived need, and they went out and got him. Their 1st is virtually guaranteed to be a late pick, and this is a very deep & relatively young roster/core, so they could "afford" to part with a 1st.

As far as this notion that he could've been had for less, I think that's being overblown as well. Do you really think there was no negotiation here? That TB just offered up their 1st right off the bat? Highly doubt that. This is what it took to get the player they wanted, and they pulled the trigger. I'm not saying it will work out, or that it was the right move. I know very little about Goodrow. But I really don't get what all the fuss is about regarding this move.
- Big_E_88

What I know about Goodrow, Coleman and Bogosian is they are big bodies that do the pushing instead of getting pushed around. Stephens and Verhaege are fast and fine for the regular season but I'd rather have them watch in April.

The pieces we picked up are playoff pieces. In the playoffs the game slows down, refs swallow their whistles and players like Goodrow, Coleman and Bogosian (if he has to play) are more valuable.

Our GM made us a better team. Thats what I want him to do!

who's got that feeling, bloggers? lol
- jimbro83

The bulk of people on this site, various sports outlets.

Would you be happy in NY traded the first round pick they just got from Carolina for Barclay Goodrow? I don't think that's good value, especially when you see guys like Derek grant going for a 4th round pick and minor leaguer.

The bulk of people on this site, various sports outlets.

Would you be happy in NY traded the first round pick they just got from Carolina for Barclay Goodrow? I don't think that's good value, especially when you see guys like Derek grant going for a 4th round pick and minor leaguer.
- jmatchett383

if I thought the Rangers were going to win the Cup, pick 31st and I also was getting back a 3rd rounder?

probably, if I felt his was the final piece up front

if I thought the Rangers were going to win the Cup, pick 31st and I also was getting back a 3rd rounder?

probably, if I felt his was the final piece up front
- jimbro83

I'm not saying that adding a final piece to win a Cup isn't worth a first rounder...I'm just asking, do you think they could have acquired him for less. I, personally, do, and it seems a lot of other do as well. Again, I can see the rationale as you stated. I just don't think they had to pay as high of a price as they did.

Hell, if I could be guaranteed it would get the Flyers a Cup, I'll gladly piss away 4 consecutive first round picks. But I'd prefer they win it without doing so, if possible.

I'm not saying that adding a final piece to win a Cup isn't worth a first rounder...I'm just asking, do you think they could have acquired him for less. I, personally, do, and it seems a lot of other do as well. Again, I can see the rationale as you stated. I just don't think they had to pay as high of a price as they did.

Hell, if I could be guaranteed it would get the Flyers a Cup, I'll gladly piss away 4 consecutive first round picks. But I'd prefer they win it without doing so, if possible.
- jmatchett383

you have to also take into consideration Tampa's cap situation, especially next year

they acquired a guy in Goodrow who also is also only going to make 925K next year

a guy who can give them minutes on the bottom 6 next year too making peanuts is gold, kind of like their thinking when they acquired Coleman

it's hard to compare your team's situation or my team's when trying to evaluate what Tampa did and why

Goodrow scored the overtime goal that eliminated Vegas last season.

The reason they paid the price to get him is depth. You will not make it through 4 rounds with a healthy roster, and this guy has delivered in clutch situations before. San Jose NEEDED a first round pick and moved a player under contract for next year to get one.

If Goodrow and Coleman are the last pieces to the Cup puzzle, then these trades get a pass. (obviously)

The Goodrow trade was a high price, but it fits the pattern of recent additions. The Lightning are building up a murderer's row of big bodies and gritty players.

After being rightfully criticized of being all smallish skill guys and no toughness, the Bolts answered by bringing in Maroon, Schenn, Witowski, Coleman, and now Goodrow. All are guys who can play with an edge and fight. Added to Cernak, Coburn, and Paquette, the Bolts are no longer soft by any definition of the word. Was it worth all those assets it ended up costing? We'll see.

In a vacuum its a pretty horrible trade. Compare it to what Flyers gave for Derek Grant, a 4th rounder, who is pretty much a comparable player. Same production, size. Goodrow has better possesion numbers and Grant is a bit better in circle. The extra year for Goodrow should no change the value that much, 4th liners are pretty easy to resign.

This is the final year with this group in Tampa, and the window might be closed before a 24-31st draft pick make any contribution. But having picks to spare is not an excuse to overpay for players.

After the season its obvious that Johnson, Palat, Gourde or possibly Killorn has to be moved to make room for our RFAs. Will we get a 2nd rounder for any of those guys? Probably.

To look at the big picture, its not catastrophic. Maybe a bit unnecessary, but JBB is at least going for it. We now have the most talented roster in team history going in to the postseason. With a team that has been a cup contender for the last five years or so, thats all that should matter.

Goodrow - Yes, too much was given. He looked alright, but nothing fancy, he's a good 3rd liner. about half way through the 2nd he had one shift that looked good when he wound up cycling the puck around from the point, he's definitely not a big scorer, but he has smarts and will help defensively. He also drew a penalty in the game.

Coleman - I haven't noticed much myself, please feel free to correct me, in jersey he was pumped pull of minutes and has yet to show the drive we need from him when the playoffs come. Last night the only time he really stood out was on the penalty kill when he fought for the puck with 3 leafs in the corner of their own end and managed to burn some valuable time off the kill. Too much may have been given again.

Bogosian - Mobility is an issue, looked sloppy at the start of the game, I think pairing him with Coburn again would be a mistake. He has a cannon and can still throw his weight around. I wouldn't mind seeing him paired with Hedman since he has a RH shot and Hedman can set him up to blast it. Thank god Point didn't leave the game after he took one in the goods. Or perhaps move one of McDonagh or Sergachev down to the 3rd pair and have Bogosian with them, i'd rather McDonagh and let Cernak compensate for Sergachev on the backcheck. He was free

Anyone know about this ailing injury to Stamkos either than it being lower body?

Coburn is definitely in decline. I can no longer defend him and I will stop female doging about Coburn being scratched. There is still things to like about him, but his mobility and agility seems to have declined to the Girardi pylon level. Pairing him with other pylons like Schenn and Bogo will result in disaster again and again. Spread the pylons around. Chain one of them to Hedman until McD gets back and the pairings can be returned to some flavor of normal.

McD is really noticeable now that he is gone. He doesn't light up the score sheet, but he eats responsible minutes. He needs to get back and get healthy.

Rutta at least has some better wheels than the pylon crew he is competing with for icetime.

Three losses in a row sucks, but it was bound to happen. This team was riding a PDO wave during this prolonged win streak and their performance was overdue to regress some. We are seeing that now. Spread these three losses out over the last two months of the winning streak and the overall numbers look better. It just sucks because it's wasted points trying to catch the Bruins for the top seed.

Coleman and Goodrow will adjust. I think they are being groomed to replace two (more expensive) players. Probably two of : Johnson, Killorn, and Gourde. I'd be OK with letting Gourde go. It's a coin flip with Johnson and Killorn, although Killer is making a better case right now. I think Palat has played himself into the long-term picture and provides more overall value than his old partner in crime Johnson. Paquette will probably go as well.